Vimeo takes "Furries: An Inside Look" down
Curt Pehrson notified us that his documentary, “Furries: An Inside Look” has been taken down by Vimeo.
From Video:
“Sorry, “Furries – An Inside Look” was deleted at 2:58:01 Mon Mar 28, 2011. Vimeo has removed or disabled access to the following material as a result of a third-party notification by Adam W. Chapin claiming that this material is infringing: Furries – An Inside Look. We have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere.”
Curt let us know by twitter:
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“We will wait for the facts to come to light w/e they are.”
3/30/2011:
“Got a copy of the actual takedown notice. The claim was that he owned the entire documentary. Absolutely frivolous.”
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God damn it Tamias, why are you always doing this shit?
March 28, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Looks like I pulled a Joe Biden, I apologize, as for people quoting Encyclopedia Dramatica, your stupid.
March 29, 2011 at 7:10 pm
dude i know tamias. he’s constanlty having his idenity placed in areas that try to go against furries by fucking trolls and /b/tards
March 30, 2011 at 6:37 am
Apparently he does this a lot…
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Tamias_the_Chipmunk#Tamias.27_Nice_Long_Hiatus
March 29, 2011 at 2:04 am
Someone should take this clown behind the woodshed and give him some corrections
March 29, 2011 at 2:18 am
Tamias just needs to be quiet… Theres always the talk of “The media only talking to the ‘Uncle Frank’ to get the worst out of us”… Well apparently his name is ‘Uncle Tamias’
March 29, 2011 at 4:11 am
Tamias is a victim of identity theft. it has happened before on YouTube as well as happened to me. Anti-Furs have our real life information and use it to defame us.
~Wolfee
March 29, 2011 at 7:41 am
Tamias docs are publicly on the web. This was an attempt of identity frod that ANYONE with his docs can file the DMCA. Tamias has shared around how great that video was and after it was posted on his FurAffinity journal someone had to do this. Untell there is a court case and you have PROOF that it is Tamias (IP address or something hard) you are opening yourself for a case of Libel
March 29, 2011 at 7:43 am
I have documented this before. Here is proof Tamias is innocent of this charge. http://wolfeedarkfang.megabyet.net/blog/?p=26
March 29, 2011 at 7:53 am
Tamias just told me he wrote to vimeo to let them know he did not file that claim. We will see where this goes i guess.
March 29, 2011 at 8:57 am
the sites where videos are removed due to infringement need to do more research before silencing the video. and make sure the person filing the claim is who they say they are.
March 29, 2011 at 9:06 am
Apparently Tamias’ “Adventures In DMCA!” are not a rare occurence at all…
http://vimeo.com/18338610
March 29, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Quoting trolling videos and encyclopedia dramatica is a terrible idea. Get your info from reliable sources or don’t bother.
March 29, 2011 at 3:09 pm
What evidence is there that this is a “trolling video”? Because it’s condemning of you and your friend? Wolfee you do realize you and him do have sort of a reputation for this kind of DMCA dramamongling right?
And about YOUR “proof”, it seems it’s just you and Tamias…talking. And SAYING you don’t do this. There’s evidence of your wrong doing, wheres this legion of trolls you speak of?
March 29, 2011 at 3:15 pm
That is one DMCA which he thought was legitimate. That video proves nothing other then Tamias cannot get a lawyer to follow through with it. When going through flagging the video youtube keeped redirecting him to the DMCA page. By this he thought it was right course. This video though he has posted up a link to on his furaffinity and told his friends that this is a great video to watch. Why would someone promote a video just to have it DMCAed? Why would someone direct everyone they know and everyone who watches his FA to a video he would later DMCA which would cause everyone to look at him and cause more trolling against him. This is illogical and quite obvious someone using his information to cause him harm.
March 29, 2011 at 5:59 pm
You talk like you have intimate knowledge of the goings on, and I’m left to assume you’re his friend trying to cover for him not unlike Wolfee, who again, has a reputation for false DMCA’s.
As for this video, aside from the fact he probably didn’t think Vimeo would release his name along with the DMCA, think about this; This is a very popular furry video. According to Curt, he refused a request to let them mirror it, presumably to let them get some notoriety from someone elses work. The video gets gone, and now everyone knows “Adam Chapin”. However, it’s because “someone is harassing him”. Now, like before, Tamias is using his reputation of “being harassed” to cover his misdeeds. Now, this extremely popular furry video is tied to Tamias’ name, but OH LOOK, it’s over something bad he “totally didn’t do”.
End result? Tamias got what he wanted anyway, in a way he thought he could get away with. He’s now connected to this extremely popular video, but because it’s a *negative* connection, then someone did it.
And that sounds too convenient. Again, there’s proof positive Tamias and Wolfee drop DMCA’s all the time. The only proof against is the word of Tamias and his friends.
March 29, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Yes I am a friend of Tamias. Though I only know of one DMCA that Tamias has done and I myself do not agree with that DMCA. I also know though that Tamias has sent me to the video saying that I should watch it and was freaking out the other day about it being DMCAed. The thing is he has contacted Curt and given Curt would have the DMCA file directly regardless if Vimio has posted his name or not that he is not responsible for the DMCA. Also there is efforts to try to get rid of the DMCA that was brought up using his information. This is counter productive to Tamias to direct people to a video and false DMCA it. Regardless if vimio posted his name I am sure Curt would have still twittered and this would be posted up still as he would clearly see his name as I stated before. So the statement that he is freaking out over vimio posting his name is not logical either. As for Wolfee I do not know much about Wolfees DMCAs I just know of one incidence of Tamias ever DMCAing a video. What proof do I have… Well I don’t have any proof other then this does not make sense for Tamias to do this and the reaction of Tamias when finding out that the video was DMCAed. I am not here to defend previous DMCAs by Wolfee or Tamias as I do not agree with DMCAs myself but I will defend Tamias on this case as I see no logical reason for him to do this with what he has done to promote the video to others. For your last statement though there is more proof positive that Wolfee has previously done DMCAs and that Tamias has done one which in itself was miss guided.
March 29, 2011 at 6:59 pm
“I see no logical reason for him to do this with what he has done to promote the video to others.”
He was helping “promote the video”, but wasn’t allowed to specifically brand it by putting it on his YouTube for thousands of people to view and give him hits on. The one source of the video has been pulled, and his name is all over, thus the video and his name are now quite publicly connected. He and friends now insist other people did it in his name to frame him, however, now he’s getting lots and lots of attention, but by allowing him to shift blame to “someone framing him” (also gaining him bonus “Oh no, Tamias is being attacked!” sympathy), he doesn’t have to suffer the consequences from doing it.
History (and evidence) has shown Tamias and his friends have a (very) tenuous grasp of the DMCA’s, when they’re allowed, and the consequences of getting caught filing them and have had a nasty track record with filing them. Their defense is “No we didn’t, someone else does this. Ask my friend”. That’s not convincing.
March 29, 2011 at 7:32 pm
lots of attention that he doesn’t want. Perhaps he wanted to mirror it but only to cross promote but not for hits. As it is Tamias has his youtube taken down a LONG time ago so the argument is to get hits is illogical. So him DMCAing it for the reason to get hits is void too. No youtube account No purpose to want hits. Grouping Tamias in with Wolfee doesn’t work either. Tamias does not deny his DMCA that he did on Dr. Serbia as youtube directed him to the DMCA form. For him to admit to DMCAing one video and not another doesn’t make sense. The only one who has any track record of DMCAing videos is Wolfee not Tamias. So given that Tamias does not have a youtube account and that he supposedly DMCAed it because he couldn’t mirror it does not make sense. As it is Tamias has contacted Vimio and Curt to try to resolve this issue. For someone who DMCAed the actions before and after does not make any sense of the matter.
March 29, 2011 at 7:50 pm
From the words of that troll video you linked with the bald overweight guy in it (a person I’ve known for 3 years), in another video he said the last time I filed a DMCA was over a year ago and was legitimate because my Wolfee Darkfang character is copyrighted and people used it without my permission. I’ve never once filed a false DMCA. Those who would discriminate a fellow furry based on findings of encyclopedia dramatic need to take into consideration what ED says about black people, Jewish people, atheists, and FURRIES. Yes FURRIES! According to ED, because you are a furry, you are into bestiality, you’re a fat 40 year old virgin pedophile who lives in his parent’s basement. Don’t like that description of yourself? Well that’s what ED says you are and you look at them as a reliable source so it MUST BE THE TRUTH! Also when did Tamias ask to mirror the video in question? I never saw it mirrored by him. I believe that was me who asked curt if I could mirror it, he said no but that I could embed it somewhere. So I didn’t mirror it, but I did try to embed it on my blog site the next day, only to find that it was already gone before I could. The way your going on trying to deny Tamias’s innocence even you have 2 active people and 2 others posting here in his defense who KNOW HIM who say otherwise, it sounds like you want him to be guilty rather he is or not. Either that or your too closed minded to take another side of the story into consideration. How long have you known Tamias or the bald guy in the video? I’ve known them both for 3 years. I know what I’m talking about.
March 29, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Stop rambling, Wolfee. You and Tamias both have horrible reputations when it comes to DMCAs, and Skye just said he was there when Tamias filed the DMCA, but “thought Tamias was under the idea it was a legitimate claim”, so which is it? Tamias never DMCA’s ever, or Tamias DMCA’s sometimes and gets confused about when it’s allowed?
Bottom line, there’s evidence, his reputation, and even one of these “2 people that know him” that say yes, he has gotten himself into trouble with DMCA’s in the past. Then we have your case, which amounts to “I’m his friend, and I say he’s innocent”. “Rather or not” I ‘want’ him to be guilty, the fact remains, there’s the history there.
And your bullying attitude towards the matter doesn’t help your case.
March 30, 2011 at 12:52 am
“You and Tamias both have horrible reputations when it comes to DMCAs”
“there’s evidence”
Where is this evidence? The only thing you have shown to prove this so far is a troll video and a link to ED. Even ED says it’s a satirical website not to be taken seriously. People who believe that site should be strung up and strangled for being stupid.
“Skye just said he was there when Tamias filed the DMCA, but “thought Tamias was under the idea it was a legitimate claim””
This is just you misinterperating what skye said. Skye said he did once file a DMCA (not the current one) but he filed it because one of his videos from his own youtube channel was copied by a troll. Do we not own copyright on our own content? In that form it was a legit claim. Other then that he has never filed a DMCA. As for me like isaid i own copyright on my fursona. When it is used against my wishes i have the right to file one. I can even go to court with it. And will.
“And your bullying attitude towards the matter doesn’t help your case”
From my perspective you are the one doing the bullying. I’m just trying to open your eyes. I’ve not once called you a name or insulted you. I’ve simply stated the facts about what ED says about all furries. If you think that is bullying, welcome to the internet. It only gets worse.
March 30, 2011 at 2:39 am
Why do you keep saying “troll video”? Troll video troll video troll video. What does that mean? Are you assuming that man simply lied about your friend (around 3 months ago)? You’ve known him for 3 years you said, right? What IS your relationship with the man in this “troll video”? Is it someone you have a personal issue with, and if so, why are you to be believed when you continuously refer to it as an unreliable ‘troll video”?
Skye said, quote, “I just know of one incidence of Tamias ever DMCAing a video.”, which i was lead to assume was the instance in the “troll video”, which, evidently, was false.
Now you say Tamias did, in fact file a DMCA, but that it was legit. When was THIS DMCA? Was it the one refered to in a “troll video”? If it was, then you can’t keep claiming “troll video troll video”, since you’re now saying it happened but he had a good reason for it. You can’t have it both ways, he never files DMCAs ever, or he files DMCAs every now and then but only when he knows it’s legitimate. you seem to be trying to answer with “neither, it’s both”, and that’s a total cop out.
Finally Wolfee, the reputation you and Tamias have, be it Encyclopedia Dramatica, YouTube, Fur Affinity or anywhere else, is one of drama, false DMCAs, and personal attacks. You keep claiming “Where’s the proof, where’s the proof””, but *conveniently* you have ways to keep rebutting everything anyone uses against you with a resounding… nothing. You don’t counter with anything. That “proof” that Tamias and you are the victims of DMCAs? It was the two of you talking. That’s it. For someone who insists “You’d have to be AN IDIOT to believe ED!” you sure are counting on the validity of your word and your own reputation quite a lot. Unfortunately, for me at least, that’s not good enough, and the violent imagery you chose to color your argument with only server to prove that you’re an angry, frightened man that can’t handle being questioned.
March 30, 2011 at 2:58 am
it would be nice to see where your getting your information and evidence that this guy would dmca a video he/she is trying to promote.
i personally find it illogical as to why somebody would do something like that.
March 29, 2011 at 10:40 pm
And wouldn’t you know it? The video of someone testifying Tamias’ false DMCAing tactics has been pulled. Not suspicious at all.
Good thing I had the foresight to download it, huh.
http://tinypic.com/r/29xcjde/7
March 30, 2011 at 3:27 am
appears to be deleted. doesn’t appear to be a DMCA so I don’t see how that is suspicious. Now you seem to be parinoid and want to pin things on Tamias. Still that video documents Tamias ONLY DMCA that he was directed by youtube to file because it had content from Tamias.
March 30, 2011 at 10:35 am
The video I posted, with +months old proof that Tamias DMCA’s just SUDDENLY AND MYSTERIOUSLY disappears off of Vimeo 3 months after it’s original posted date just moments after I link it here with swarms of Tamias’ buddies, and you don’t find that at all, in the slightest, a bit odd? Not at all? It’s just “paranoia and trying to pin things on Tamias”?
Yeah, no. That’s desperation, and you know exactly how this looks on you guys. And that video doesn’t document that “He only DMCA’d once when he thought he was right too”, as you are so happy to insist. It proves he DMCA’s when he’s told he has no case. Where’s your proof that “Oh, well THAT DMCA was a real one…”? Because you “friends” of his keep telling me that?
I also like how all the pro Tamias comments have either 5 or 6 “likes”, like the *same few people* (or some peoples alternate accounts…) are lurking the comments trying to bump up the pro-Tamias comments.
March 30, 2011 at 1:54 pm
that video you are so proud of flaunting around only is proof of one DMCA from Tamias. The video that was DMCAed on youtube that the video refers to Tamias DMCAing had content on the video that was owned by Tamias. Youtube in the process of trying to flag the video had directed Tamias to file a DMCA. Though unlike what you have been saying that Tamias is known for filing lots of DMCAs that video only shows for one instance. As for the sudden disappearance of the video I don’t know what to say but I followed the link and it says it has been deleted. I guess you will say that Tamias decided to hack the account that the video is on and remove the video? Maybe a bit odd but just a coincidence I think. I still have my mirror of that video myself. I am still saying that rather then be objective you rather insist on that it was purely Tamias who did this and not someone using his info in identity fraud to file the DMCA. Regardless of if that video proves he has DMCAed one time or even a million times proves that he DMCAed this video. I have filed DMCAs before and have gone to court on them and won the cases. That does not make proof that some *insert random DMCA instance here* is by me. As for the pro Tamias comments well I am seeing anywhere from 3 likes to 7 likes. Maybe people are just not liking your comments. Well 1 person has liked your comments from what I have seen. I myself have been using the same account. Also not all my posts or Wolfee’s posts have been liked up that much. I see 6 out of 29 posts (as of writing this including this post I am writing) with a matter of 16 (not including this post) that are “Pro-Tamias” that even touch what you say of 5 or 6 likes (also including ones that have more likes). I highly doubt people are signing out and re-liking posts and I don’t think that can be done given cookies would still say they liked it. I tend to believe that you have 1 fan on a couple of your posts and more people outside Wolfee and I like the “Pro-Tamias” comments. The only proof you have shown is that Tamias has filed a DMCA and to this day the video that was DMCAed has not even been counter claimed showing me that the video was more then likely been a legit DMCA. I don’t care if he filed a DMCA before. It is still not proof that he has on this video or if it was someone using his info. You just seem hell bent on the issue that Tamias has to be the one who did this and nothing else is true. Also your referring to ED is like the Christians saying “God exists because the bible says so”. This argument though I can foresee as you saying that back at me for claiming that Tamias did not do this. Though I am a friend of Tamias I am not saying this because I am his friend but because his actions before and after the video was DMCAed does not follow the path of someone who did the DMCA. Also on that note Tamias does not refute the DMCA he has done that was mentioned in the video and still stands by that it was a legit DMCA. Being that there was no counter claim nor any court case in regards to this we will never know but if Tamias does not refute that DMCA in the video you linked, why would he all the sudden refute this one? I seriously think you are reaching hard to insist that this is Tamias’ fault when it can just as easily be someone else using his info. Could this DMCA have been submitted by Tamias? Sure it could have been. Do I think it was? As a friend I don’t think it was Tamias and a person knowing his character of a person I don’t think he would. The whole thing is out of character for Tamias. And when I refer to character I am not referring to a fursona but his personal ethics and whole of himself. As a subjective person I will accept that there is a chance that Tamias has done this and hope it is not true but I think it is very unlikely that Tamias has actually done this. As it is you keep regurgitating the same ED this and This video that and the same thing over and over again and as well as the “Pro-Tamias” side has been doing the same. This is just going back and forth and is like pissing in a sea of piss. The past is not relevant in this case as the past does not PROVE this case here.
March 30, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Jesus Christ, format your posts.
I don’t think anyones insisting “Tamias must have hacked the account and deleted the video”, I *am* insisting, however, that and his cohorts flagged the video, though. you think whoever had that video up picked yesterday of all days to decide “Know what, I don’t want to have this up anymore. Away it goes.” just as it happened that you, Wolfee and other were in mid-rage that someone dare question good and noble Tamias? I doubt it.
Why do you guys always try to make the opponents case the most outlandish thing ever? “Oh, it’s on ED? I GUESS YOU BELIEVE JEWS BLACK ATHEISTS ETC ETC?” “Oh, the video was deleted? THEN I GUESS YOU THINK HE’S A SUPUER HACKER WHO WENT INTO THE MAINFRAME AND RIPPED EVERYTHING ETC ETC ETC!”. Nobody is making these cases, but you guys are taking the most extreme viewpoint (that nobody has made, mind you) and parading it about, as though whoever disagrees with you HAS to be a cartoonish monster out to get you, right? That’s not a sign of confidence in your ability to argue a case, that’s nervous flailing trying to discredit a valid case.
Do you know what “moving the goalpost” means, Skye? It’s where evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other, greater evidence is demanded. Video of someone who knew Tamias saying he false DMCA’d? “Nope, TROLL VIDEO! Give me something else.”. Screencaps? “Nope, TROLL SCREENCAPS! Give me something else.” The ‘troll video’ from before mysteriously vanishes? “*insert most ridiculous thing to distract from the fact it was obviously flagged*, NOT PROOF!”. Why do you keep bringing up “Dur, ED ED ED!” and never referring to the YouTube or Fur Affinity references? Why have you zeroed in on a single source, is it because it’s the easiest, in your opinion, to “discredit”?
As for the likes? none of the pro-Tamias comments have less than 4. YOUR comment, that you just made, has been posted less than 10 minutes and already has one. I find it a little odd that this comment section has maybe 3 regular commentators, yet somehow enough people are consistently viewing it to keep bumping up your comments.
March 30, 2011 at 4:06 pm
By the way, I’m still waiting for Wolfee, or anyone really, to explain their connection with the man in “the troll video”.
Wolfee insists the man is lying, you say it happened but that tamias was in the right and just happened to not get ahold of a lawyer in time, and then Wolfee decides he wants to say that’s what happened, while still insisting it’s a troll video. The story changed, either the fat man is outright lying, or everything in that video happened but Tamias had a good reason for the DMCA, it can’t be both. And the flip-flopping that you guys have done in regards to this video (in addition to it’s SUDDEN AND VERY MYSTERIOUS absence, it sure does look like you guys aren’t being entirely forthcoming with your version of the truth.
Again, answer; who is this man, and why is it a “troll video”?
March 30, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Ok I will actually explain this one. The man in what wolfee calls “the troll video” is Jeff who was a friend of Tamias and Wolfee. He has a strong belief that ALL DMCAs are wrong to do. I myself don’t call that a troll video though. But in regards to Jeff being a troll well he admits that he is a troll himself. The situation though with him is that when Tamias filed the DMCA Jeff was led to believe by another person who considers herself a troll too that if Jeff did not break ties and unfriend a friendship that has been I think 1 or 2 years long that he would be involved in a Sh** storm that would ruin his life along with Tamias and Wolfee’s life. This storm after 3 months has not even arisen, though good possibility that this might be part of it or not.
As for the video you mirrored Tamias did file a DMCA and Tamias does not deny that. Tamias also stands by that it was a legitimate DMCA. In regards to the original video that Jeff posted it was deleted when things cooled down with him. The video you mirrored from I don’t know why it was removed but I much rather not argue on that cause I have no involvement in its removal.
The final statement why it is a troll video well I can make an assumption on this but because Jeff refers to himself as a troll, started following other trolls opinions, and Wolfee still just regards him as a troll. Though Wolfees opinions on this is not the same as mine.
March 30, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Ok I know nothing about what happened to the video that you linked previously but yes I did put a long stretch statement. I will apologize on that. Please do not refer to Wolfee’s posts when talking to me though. I cannot defend on someone elses comments. Also I don’t care if people question Tamias. You don’t see me going out of my way to make comments on the other people who have said comments such as “Someone should take this clown behind the woodshed and give him some corrections” or “God damn it Tamias, why are you always doing this shit?”. Though the first one is a stupid comment (my opinion) and the second one is a legitimate statement that I do not agree to, you are the only one who started out with ED being your first reference of proof. In regards to the ED article though it still refers to only one DMCA. False or legitimate has no barring on whats going on here. Also I have not once tried to discredit the video or that Tamias has DMCAed in the past. I have discredited that what was done in the past does not prove what happened on the video mentioned in this article. As for the Furaffinity journal I had to chew Tamias out for removing the post as he just lost evidence that was going for him that IS relevant to this issue. In regards to the likes of my comments I don’t know why but I have told Tamias and Wolfee not to “like” my comments that are to you. So I do not know who is liking my comments. Regardless of this all I have not once tried to discredit the video nor anything having to do with Tamias filing a DMCA before this incident. Though for someone who admits to filing a DMCA on a youtube video cause he believes its a legitimate DMCA yet on this one still admits to the youtube DMCA but denies the one on Vimeo does not make sense if he actually filed it. I am not Wolfee and I am not going to be going “Nope, TROLL VIDEO! Give me something else.” like you state cause I have not refuted the video though I have refuted the relevance to this situation as proof that Tamias filed the DMCA on the Vimeo video.
March 30, 2011 at 4:53 pm
oh god are trolls trying to put tamias down AGAIN?!
March 30, 2011 at 6:35 am
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